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Old 04-01-2009, 01:39 AM
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Unhappy Pipes and Tube

Apologies as i am fairly new to thsi site and this software, so bare with me =)

just been given the task to 3D model some fairly complex tube/pipe arrangments,

i wondered if there was an easy way of modeling these up, including bends and variation of angles.

if anyone could please point me in the direction of a suitable tutorial or at the very least towards a function/command to use would be hugely grateful

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Old 04-07-2009, 06:33 AM
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Re: Pipes and Tube

So I have done some of this in the past, the methods that I have used.

1) start by doing a simple extrude on the first straight section and then use the lift command to do the bends and further straight sections. works fine but can be a pain to tweak. does give you separate surfaces for the bends and straight sections at least.

2) generate a 3d spline and then sweep (lofting) along that spline. downside is that you get a single surface for the outside and inside and very hard to tweak. you end up going back to the spline and making changes there and then redoing the pipe. I've used this for doing wiring in the past.

3) someone at HP wrote a piping script long ago that did some of this. found what looks like a version of it at: http://osd.cad.de/lisp_3d.en.htm#04 look for "create square and round pipes"

4) there are commercial modules that do this but they are expensive so unless you are doing this a lot and can afford them, stay away. you can find links to them on the cocreate website under partners (don't remember exactly where) 1 is SpaceCable and the other is a german commercial piping program (big industrial stuff)

hope this helps.
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Old 04-08-2009, 01:35 AM
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Re: Pipes and Tube

Please see at the following link a demo of our product SpacePipe

http://www.mipbels.com/Viewlets/SpacePipe/spacepipe1.wmv

The video can be seen with "Windows Media Player" or "CAMTASIA player"
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Old 04-08-2009, 04:18 AM
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Re: Pipes and Tube

The German forum has a lisp program "Create Square and Round Pipes"

The program is both in german and english and works very well, specify the pipe size, the start position and direction and "grow" the pipe from there.

I use this program often and it does save a lot of time.

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http://osd.cad.de/lisp_3d.en.htm
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Old 04-20-2009, 04:57 AM
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Re: Pipes and Tube

All great help on this matter and completed task in good time

Thank you all again for your help =]
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Old 04-20-2009, 05:00 AM
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Re: Pipes and Tube

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The German forum has a lisp program "Create Square and Round Pipes"

The program is both in german and english and works very well, specify the pipe size, the start position and direction and "grow" the pipe from there.

I use this program often and it does save a lot of time.

Tom

http://osd.cad.de/lisp_3d.en.htm
any chance you can tell me how to integrate this program with my modelling package. . . apologies im not too good with this sort of thing, any help would be great
thanks

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this file is not found when i click the link on the page. . . any idea's?
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Old 04-20-2009, 07:41 AM
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Re: Pipes and Tube

Load the file, and the program will be placed into your tool box.

Also you can add the load command to your sd_cusmomize file.



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Old 07-14-2009, 05:40 AM
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Re: Pipes and Tube

I have suggested to users that if they own the cabling module they can also use this for tubing. The tools included in cabling make it very easy to create the tubing itself as well as define a tubing netlist and let the application route it in freeform. I define a cable in the library that is the same diameter as the tubing and the route it. If you are concerned with the finished volume of the tube for air or fluid model it with the ID and then use the part proerties to give you the volume.
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Re: Pipes and Tube

Hi all, this lisp would be very handy for me personaly, any chance i can get the 2 lisp's for the round and square tube as the links dont seem to work on this one

cheers - Dave
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Re: Pipes and Tube

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So I have done some of this in the past, the methods that I have used.

...

2) generate a 3d spline and then sweep (lofting) along that spline. downside is that you get a single surface for the outside and inside and very hard to tweak. you end up going back to the spline and making changes there and then redoing the pipe. I've used this for doing wiring in the past.

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When you say that there is an outside and inside, is that one surface for everything or a single surface for the outside and a single surface for the inside?

Once the spline is made can it be converted into tangent lines and arcs to sweep the pipe that would give all of the surfaces at every bend and kink?

If not, when the spline is updated, does the pipe update as well or would you need to re-sweep the pipe once the spline has been modified?

The reason why I ask, I do many bundled wire-harnesses in automotive. Usually, I do the pipe/tube in UGNX and import them into CoCreate. It's easy to change the NURBS spline in UGNX as the pipe/tube follows on update. How hard is it to modify a spline in CoCreate?
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Re: Pipes and Tube

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Hi all, this lisp would be very handy for me personaly, any chance i can get the 2 lisp's for the round and square tube as the links dont seem to work on this one

cheers - Dave
Hi.
Here is the one.( I guess.)
http://osd.cad.de/lisp_3d_04.htm

P.S.
I could not load it from sd_customized with PE......
It works when I manually load it, though.
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Re: Pipes and Tube

If your piping is made up of straight runs with analytical bends (IE: no spline curves), you need look no further than the CoCreate Modeling help files.

Click on Help-->Help Topics Make the Contents tab active.
Select Documentation for advanced users
Select the Integration Kit link
Select the Examples link
Select Piping User Action

Use the text editor of your choice to create a new file. I suggest you use notepad++ that is included in your Modeling install DVD (It's great for CoCreate lisp files and CoCreate Drafting macro files)

Copy the code from the help, and paste it into your new file. (do not copy and paste the first and last lines IE: the |# and the #|)

Save the file as something like "piping.lsp"
Load your new lisp file, and then you can run your program by selecting in the toolbox.

If you like it, you can load this file at CoCreate Modeling startup from an sd_customize file. (You do have an sd_customize file, don't you?)
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Old 01-19-2010, 12:41 PM
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Re: Pipes and Tube

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Copy the code from the help, and paste it into your new file. (do not copy and paste the first and last lines IE: the |# and the #|)
Just to clarify so no one gets confused -- you don't need to copy what's in between the |# and #| at the beginning of the file (everything between them is considered a comment, so you don't need it). If you just start copying at the "(in-package :EXAMPLES)" line you should be fine...

enjoy!

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Re: Pipes and Tube

Hi.
(I found the reason why it didn't load with my PE at home.)

http://osd.cad.de/lisp_3d_04.htm
This has multilanguage, so it works in English environment as well.
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Old 12-14-2010, 10:16 AM
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Re: Pipes and Tube

Does anyone have the lisp program "Create Square and Round Pipes"
from the german forum? If so, may I have a copy. I tried downloading it and got an error message that the path no longer exists.

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